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09/23/2021 10:30 AM House LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL

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10:46:00 AM Start
11:32:36 AM Adjourn
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a. Overview of Pending Capitol Maintenance
b. Formation of Subcommittee
- Assembly Building Utilization Subcommittee
Additional Committee Business - Executive Session
a. Formation of Subcommittee
- Legislative Facilities Security Subcommittee
b. Anchorage LOB Snow-Removal Contract
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                 ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                     
                    LEGISLATIVE COUNCIL                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
                    SEPTEMBER 23, 2021                                                                                        
                         10:30 AM                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
   MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                            
   Representative Sara Hannan, Chair                                                                                          
   Senator Lora Reinbold, Vice Chair                                                                                          
   Representative Bryce Edgmon                                                                                                
   Representative Louise Stutes                                                                                               
   Representative Cathy Tilton                                                                                                
   Senator Mike Shower                                                                                                        
   Senator Bert Stedman                                                                                                       
   Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                             
   Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                 
   Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                 
   Representative Chris Tuck                                                                                                  
   Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                       
   Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                      
   Senator Shelley Hughes (alternate)                                                                                         
   Senator Peter Micciche                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
   OTHER MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                      
   Representative Harriet Drummond                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
   AGENDA                                                                                                                     
   CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                              
   APPROVAL OF AGENDA                                                                                                         
   APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                        
   COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                         
   COMMITTEE BUSINESS  EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                                      
   ADJOURN                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
   SPEAKER REGISTER                                                                                                           
   Jessica Geary, Executive Director, Legislative Affairs                                                                     
   Agency (LAA)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       10:46:00 AM                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
  I. CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR  HANNAN  called  the  Legislative  Council  meeting  to                                                          
       order  at  10:46AM  on  September  23,  2021,  in  the  House                                                          
       Finance Room 519.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       Present at  the call  were: Representatives  Edgmon,  Hannan,                                                          
       Stutes,  Tilton;  Senators  Reinbold,  Shower,  Stedman,  and                                                          
       Stevens.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       Members absent  were: Representatives  Claman, Foster,  Tuck;                                                          
       Senators Bishop, Hoffman, Hughes (alternate), and Micciche.                                                            
                                                                                                                              
       Eight members present.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
 II. APPROVAL OF AGENDA                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
       10:47:34 AM                                                                                                          
       VICE CHAIR REINBOLD  moved and asked  unanimous consent  that                                                          
       Legislative Council approve the agenda as presented.                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN, seeing no objections, approved the agenda.                                                               
                                                                                                                              
III. APPROVAL OF MINUTES                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
       10:48:44 AM                                                                                                          
       VICE CHAIR REINBOLD  moved and asked  unanimous consent  that                                                          
       the Legislative Council  approve the minutes dated March  17,                                                          
       2021, as presented.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN,  hearing no  objections,  approved the  minutes                                                          
       and introduced  the first  item of business,  a briefing  and                                                          
       overview of pending Capitol  Maintenance, and Jessica  Geary,                                                          
       who was present to answer Council questions.                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
 IV. COMMITTEE BUSINESS                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
       A. Overview of Pending Legislative Council Matters                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
       JESSICA  GEARY,   Executive  Director   of  the   Legislative                                                          
       Affairs Agency, said that  the memo council members  received                                                          
       was an outline  of items to be  brought before the  committee                                                          
       for consideration  either this  year or  next year  depending                                                          
       on timing.  The first  was the  Capitol roof    Jensen  Yorba                                                          
       Wall   was  preparing   construction   management   and   bid                                                          
       documents, and  their preliminary estimate  was $1.3  million                                                          
       and there  were  existing  capital  funds. She  said  that  a                                                          
   hazmat  survey  had   been  completed   and  there  were   no                                                              
   hazardous materials present, and  the last time the roof  was                                                              
   replaced was  in  1993/1994. said  the  second item  to  come                                                              
   before Council  are contract  approvals for:  the Sitka  LIO;                                                              
   Utqiagvik LIO  and Legislative  Office Space;  Ketchikan  LIO                                                            
   and  Legislative  Office  Space;  and  the  Thomson   Reuters                                                              
   Westlaw - Online Research  Services contract. The third  item                                                              
   would be  the veto  of per  diem by Governor  Dunleavy  which                                                              
   meant that  beginning  the  January  regular  session,  there                                                              
   would be no  funds available  for regular  session per  diem,                                                              
   and  that  she   would  be  presenting   scenarios  for   the                                                              
   committees   consideration.   The  last  item   would  be   a                                                              
   potential amendment  to Legislative  Procurement Procedures,                                                               
   to  be  presented   at  a  future   meeting  by  JC   Kestel,                                                              
   Procurement  Officer.  She  paused  to  take  any   questions                                                              
   before continuing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
   SENATOR STEVENS  asked  Ms.  Geary for  options  on  Governor                                                              
   Dunleavys   veto issue;  he  stated  that one  issue  was  to                                                              
   simply not fund  the governors  per  diem but was interested                                                               
   in hearing options other than that.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                              
   MS.  GEARY  said  the  options  as  she  saw  them  were  for                                                              
   Legislative Council to  approve transfers  to cover per  diem                                                              
   from the  existing budget  authorization and  then recommend                                                               
   to the  Finance  subcommittee  that a  supplemental  fund  be                                                              
   backfilled to replace the  almost $2 million. She said  those                                                              
   were the  only  two options  she had  been  able to  come  up                                                              
   with, but that  it would need  to be dealt  with through  the                                                              
   budget process.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
   SENATOR STEVENS asked  if that would mean  per diem could  be                                                              
   provided as early as January.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
   MS. GEARY said yes, if  the transfers were approved to  cover                                                              
   per  diem  in  the  interim,  if  it  was  the  will  of  the                                                              
   committee, per  diem could be  paid beginning  the first  day                                                              
   of session.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
   SENATOR STEVENS  thanked Ms. Geary  and the  Chair, and  said                                                              
   he assumed  members  would proceed  with  that and  get  this                                                              
   taken care of. It was  totally absurd, he said, for  Governor                                                              
   Dunleavy to think  that legislators should  all go to  Juneau                                                              
   and not receive per diem for  the cost of living. He said  if                                                              
   that was  the  case, there  likely  would have  been  several                                                              
   legislators who would not have  run due to not being able  to                                                              
   afford to  participate in  law-making.  He said  he hoped  it                                                              
   was an issue Chair Hannan would address.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN  thanked Senator  Stevens  and said  it was  her                                                          
       full intention  to address  this issue  before the  beginning                                                          
       of  regular  session  in  January  of  2022.  She   said  she                                                          
       anticipated  there  would   be  a  couple  more   Legislative                                                          
  Council meetings between now and the start of session.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       VICE-CHAIR REINBOLD  echoed  Senator Stevens   comments.  She                                                          
       stated she  was concerned even  though she  was often one  of                                                          
       the lowest  per diem-takers.  She  thought it  was  important                                                          
       due  to  the  costs  involved  for  lawmakers   with  special                                                          
       sessions being  repeatedly called. She  said perhaps  members                                                          
       could take  a step  further  and look  at all  the  executive                                                          
       branch per diem and if  Governor Dunleavy was going to  throw                                                          
       stones, perhaps  the  Legislature could  investigate  members                                                          
       of the Executive  Branch who were  taking per diem,  required                                                          
  to be in Juneau, and often not. She thanked the Chair.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN,  seeing no  further comments,  asked Ms.  Geary                                                          
       to continue with subcommittee updates.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
       MS. GEARY  stated that  a few  of these  updates  were a  bit                                                          
       premature because  currently two  of the  subcommittees  were                                                          
       in the  planning stages:  the Security  subcommittee and  the                                                          
       Assembly  Building  subcommittee.  The  IT  subcommittee  was                                                          
       already  formed,  she  said,  and  reminded  members  of  the                                                          
       recent  security  breaches  to  the  Executive  and  Judicial                                                          
       branches. She said LAAs   IT Manager, Tim Banaszak, had  been                                                          
       working closely with his  counterparts in the other  branches                                                          
       to be able  to best prevent  what had  happened to them  from                                                          
       happening to  the Legislature  and might need  to bring  some                                                          
       items  before  the  committee   for  action.  She  said   the                                                          
       telephone  systems  were  due  for  replacement  and  the  IT                                                          
       Department  were considering  a  few pilot  programs  to  see                                                          
       what would  best fit, and  once a decision  was made  between                                                          
       those, it would be presented  to Council. She said if  it was                                                          
       alright with  the Chair,  she would  wait to  give detail  on                                                          
       the other  two items  until they  reached that  point in  the                                                          
       agenda.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
       SPEAKER  STUTES  asked   if  the  IT  Department  had   begun                                                          
       replacing  the  telephone   system,  because  she  had   been                                                          
       calling a staff member  of hers from Kodiak and kept  hearing                                                          
       a message that said the  number was no longer in service,  so                                                          
       she had been resorting to calling him on his cell phone.                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       MS. GEARY  said that to  her knowledge,  the replacement  had                                                          
       not yet  begun, so  she believed  this could  be an  isolated                                                          
       incident,  but   the  IT   Department  would   be  happy   to                                                          
  investigate this issue and follow up with the Speaker.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
   SPEAKER STUTES  said  that  would  be great,  and  she  would                                                              
   appreciate it.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
   VICE-CHAIR REINBOLD  said  she  was recently  in  Juneau  and                                                              
   found ninety-three  messages  on her  phone even  though  she                                                              
   had forwarded  the  phone  to  her district  office  and  was                                                              
   surprised to learn  that if the phone  did not get picked  up                                                              
   in the office, it would  bounce back to the Juneau phone  for                                                              
   message recording. She asked  for assistance with this  issue                                                              
   and wanted  to  remind others  this  had  been an  issue  for                                                              
   several years  and  would appreciate  a  reminder on  how  to                                                              
   forward a phone  and have it  stay forwarded  and not end  up                                                              
   reaching Juneau.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                              
   MS. GEARY said she would  be happy to send out more frequent                                                               
   reminders, and that  hopefully with the  new web-based  phone                                                              
   system,  issues like  this  would  not  be  problems  in  the                                                              
   future.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
B. Formation of Assembly Building Utilization Subcommittee                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
   10:59:12 AM                                                                                                              
   CHAIR HANNAN,  seeing  no further  questions,  announced  she                                                              
   was forming a  subcommittee for utilization  of the  Assembly                                                              
   Building to produce recommendations  for the best use of  the                                                              
   assembly building  for  the benefit  of the  legislature  and                                                              
   its  service  agencies.   She  said   she  would  chair   the                                                              
   subcommittee,   and  its   membership   would   include   the                                                              
   Legislative  Affairs  Agency   Executive  Director,   Jessica                                                              
   Geary, or her designee;  the Facilities Manager, Serge  Lesh;                                                              
   Senators Kiehl,  Stedman,  and  Bishop;  and Representatives                                                               
   Edgmon and Tuck.  She asked if there  were any questions  and                                                              
   gave the floor to Ms. Geary.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
   MS. GEARY  said members  are aware that  Legislative  Council                                                              
   voted on August  16, 2021,  to accept the  donation from  the                                                              
   Juneau  Community Foundation  with  the  intent  that,  until                                                              
   this committee  had a  chance to consider  potential  options                                                              
   for use  of the  building, that  no large  expenses would  be                                                              
   made. She  then highlighted  some  of the  possible  options,                                                              
   which she  expected the  new subcommittee  would explore  and                                                              
   research.   Her    list   included:    Legislative    housing                                                              
   (apartments); renovating  to replace current  leases as  they                                                              
   expired; continuing  to  lease space  to current  tenants  to                                                              
   offset building  maintenance  costs;  utilizing in  some  way                                                              
   the  buildings   underground  parking  garage  with  nineteen                                                              
   spots;  possible   Legislative   office   space       perhaps                                                              
   relocating the Print  Shop, storage,  Ombudsmans  Office  all                                                              
       of which  the Legislature  currently  pays rent  for in  non-                                                          
       Legislative buildings,  as  well  as possible  relocation  of                                                          
       the Capitol  Press Room and  Legislative Mail  Room from  the                                                          
       Capitol. She  updated members about  current projects  within                                                          
       existing  procurement  authority,  including  replacement  of                                                          
       rusted-out fire doors, the  underground storage tank with  an                                                          
       above-ground  storage  tank, new  garage  door  and  openers,                                                          
       rekeying  of the  locks  for  security reasons,  as  well  as                                                          
       completion  of  an  environmental  hazard  survey.  She  told                                                          
       members  they had  copies  of the  buildings   current  floor                                                          
       plans and said she would be happy to take any questions.                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       SENATOR SHOWER said  that last meeting,  he made it clear  he                                                          
       was  not  a  fan  of  accepting  the  gift  of  the  Assembly                                                          
       Building  as   he  believed   it  was  going   to  cost   the                                                          
       Legislature  money  rather  than  the  predictions  of  other                                                          
       members that it would  save money or even provide income.  He                                                          
       said he  would  believe it  when  he saw  it and  asked  that                                                          
       Council members be kept  apprised of costs as projects  moved                                                          
       forward.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN said that she would keep members apprised.                                                                
                                                                                                                              
       REPRESENTATIVE  TILTON  seconded  Senator  Showers   request,                                                          
       and further  recommended to  the new  subcommittee that  they                                                          
       confer with support staff  and staff who had been working  in                                                          
       the Capitol  for many years,  as they could  have good  ideas                                                          
       about the new space.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR  HANNAN thanked  Representative  Tilton  and  said  she                                                          
       would, and  further  explained that  she kept  the  committee                                                          
       small to keep it  manageable but did  not intend it to be  an                                                          
       exclusive  group working  in  isolation.  Seeing  no  further                                                          
       questions  or  comments, she  moved  to  the  next  order  of                                                          
       business, requiring members  to go into Executive Session  to                                                          
       discuss formation of  a subcommittee on Legislative  Security                                                          
       and  a   contract   for  snow   removal  at   the   Anchorage                                                          
       Legislative Office Building (LOB).                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                              
  V. ADDITIONAL COMMITTEE BUSINESS - EXECUTIVE SESSION                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       A. Formation of Legislative Facilities Security                                                                        
         Subcommittee                                                                                                         
       B. Anchorage LOB Snow Removal Contract                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
       11:06:19 AM                                                                                                          
       VICE-CHAIR REINBOLD  moved and asked  unanimous consent  that                                                          
       Legislative Council go  into Executive Session under  Uniform                                                          
   Rule  22(B)(1),   discussion   of  matters,   the   immediate                                                              
   knowledge of which would  adversely affect the finances of  a                                                              
   government unit  and 22(B)(3),  discussion of  a matter  that                                                              
   may, by law,  be required to be  confidential. The  following                                                              
   individuals were permitted to  remain in the room or  on-line                                                              
   for the  entirety of  the executive  session: Jessica  Geary,                                                              
   JC Kestel,  Rayme Vinson,  Sant  Lesh,  Megan Wallace,  Emily                                                              
   Nauman,  Helen  Phillips,  Jodie  Murdock,  Bree  Wylie,  any                                                              
   Legislators not  on  Legislative Council,  and any  staff  of                                                              
   Legislative Council members.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
   11:07:06 AM                                                                                                              
   A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
   YEAS:  Representatives   Edgmon,  Hannan,   Stutes,   Tilton;                                                              
   Senators Reinbold, Shower, Stedman, Stevens.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
   NAYS: None.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
   The motion was approved 8-0.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
   11:07:43 AM                                                                                                              
   Council went into Executive Session.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
   11:26:11 AM                                                                                                              
   Council came out of Executive  Session. A roll call vote  was                                                              
   taken to confirm a quorum.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
   Present at  the call  were: Representatives  Edgmon,  Hannan,                                                              
   Stutes,   Tilton;   Senators   Reinbold,   Shower,   Stedman,                                                              
   Stevens.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
   Eight members present, maintaining a quorum.                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
   CHAIR HANNAN  said  for the  record  that  she had  formed  a                                                              
   subcommittee  of the  Council  to  consider  improvements  to                                                              
   Security at  the Capitol  and other  Legislative Facilities.                                                               
   She said  the  subcommittee  would  be chaired  by  Chief  of                                                              
   Security, Rayme Vinson,  and if any  members were interested                                                               
   in serving  on  that  subcommittee,  they  should  email  Tim                                                              
   Clark, her Chief of Staff.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
   11:27:44 AM                                                                                                              
   VICE-CHAIR  REINBOLD  moved  that  the  Legislative   Council                                                              
   approve the  award  of RFP  647  for Anchorage  Snow  Removal                                                              
   Services  to  A-1  Lawn   and  Landscaping  for  a   one-year                                                              
   contract and  a  five-year  option one-year  renewal  with  a                                                              
   budget not  to  exceed  the value  of  $65,000  per  contract                                                              
   year.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN objected  for purposes  of discussion and  asked                                                          
       Mr. Kestel to briefly summarize the contract.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
       JC KESTEL, Procurement  Officer, Legislative Affairs  Agency,                                                          
       said  LAA issued  RFP  647  to  solicit  proposals  for  snow                                                          
       removal  services   at  the   Anchorage  Legislative   Office                                                          
       Building. He  said members  had copies  of  the bid  abstract                                                          
       from the bids  that were received,  and that LAA  recommended                                                          
       the contract  be awarded  to A-1  Lawn and  Landscaping,  who                                                          
       proposed the  lowest  total price  on the  RFQ,  and said  he                                                          
       would be happy to answer any questions.                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
       11:29:03 AM                                                                                                          
       A roll call vote was taken.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
       YEAS:  Representatives   Edgmon,  Hannan,   Stutes,   Tilton;                                                          
       Senators Reinbold, Shower, Stedman.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
       NAYS: None.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                              
       11:30:08 AM                                                                                                          
     An at-ease was taken.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
       11:31:58 AM                                                                                                          
       The at-ease ended.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN said  that members had been  in the middle of  a                                                          
       roll call vote, and asked Ms. Kiesel to continue.                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       SENATOR STEVENS  said he was  disconnected and  was now  back                                                          
       with the Council.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
       CHAIR HANNAN thanked him  and said that Ms. Kiesel was  going                                                          
       to ask for his vote.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
       SENATOR STEVENS voted yea.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                              
       With 8 yeas and 0 nays, the motion was approved.                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
 VI. ADJOURN                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                              
       11:32:36 AM                                                                                                          
       Adjourn.